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		<title>By: air jordan 12</title>
		<link>http://www.jaysongaddis.com/2009/12/why-original-sin-is-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-764</link>
		<dc:creator>air jordan 12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 02:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here elaborates the matter not only extensively but also detailly .I support the &lt;br&gt;write&#039;s unique point.It is useful and benefit to your daily life.You can go those &lt;br&gt;sits to know more relate things.They are strongly recommended by friends.Personally!&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://likeblackhulks.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://likeblackhulks.com/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: air max shoes</title>
		<link>http://www.jaysongaddis.com/2009/12/why-original-sin-is-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-730</link>
		<dc:creator>air max shoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 04:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well , the view of the passage is totally correct ,your details is really  reasonable and  you guy give us  valuable  informative post, I totally agree the standpoint of upstairs. I often surfing on this forum when I m free and I find there are so much good information we can learn in this forum!  &lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://friednoodle.net&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;friednoodle&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well , the view of the passage is totally correct ,your details is really  reasonable and  you guy give us  valuable  informative post, I totally agree the standpoint of upstairs. I often surfing on this forum when I m free and I find there are so much good information we can learn in this forum!  <br /><a href="http://friednoodle.net"  rel="nofollow">friednoodle</a></p>
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		<title>By: muennemann</title>
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		<dc:creator>muennemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan and others who tell of damage done through the doctrine of Original Sin demonstrate how easily such a concept can be used to inflict harm, especially by &quot;teachers&quot; who aren&#039;t ready to see the complete picture, wherein Redemption/Resurrection is the &quot;other&quot; side of Original Sin and fallen-ness.  Just as there is no &quot;heads&quot; without &quot;tails,&quot; there is no Resurrection without Original Sin.  Similar pain can be inflicted by other doctrines, especially relating to sexuality.  I think it would be helpful to look at James Fowler&#039;s &quot;Stages of Faith&quot; and how the concept of &quot;Original Sin&quot; might be expressed in these stages.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Synthetic-conventional/fundamentalist: &quot;I am sinful and evil.&quot;  Ouch.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Individuative-Reflective/rational: &quot;I have learned to be mindful of my tendency to sin.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Conjunctive: &quot;I see how my actions impact others and I am learning to be of service to my community.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mystic: &quot;I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed,...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan and others who tell of damage done through the doctrine of Original Sin demonstrate how easily such a concept can be used to inflict harm, especially by &#8220;teachers&#8221; who aren&#39;t ready to see the complete picture, wherein Redemption/Resurrection is the &#8220;other&#8221; side of Original Sin and fallen-ness.  Just as there is no &#8220;heads&#8221; without &#8220;tails,&#8221; there is no Resurrection without Original Sin.  Similar pain can be inflicted by other doctrines, especially relating to sexuality.  I think it would be helpful to look at James Fowler&#39;s &#8220;Stages of Faith&#8221; and how the concept of &#8220;Original Sin&#8221; might be expressed in these stages.</p>
<p>Synthetic-conventional/fundamentalist: &#8220;I am sinful and evil.&#8221;  Ouch.</p>
<p>Individuative-Reflective/rational: &#8220;I have learned to be mindful of my tendency to sin.&#8221; </p>
<p>Conjunctive: &#8220;I see how my actions impact others and I am learning to be of service to my community.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mystic: &#8220;I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The doctrine of original sin completely destroyed me as a child, adolescent, and young adult.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It took me many years, and more than one instance of suicide preparations, before I realized how false -- and evil -- the doctrine of original sin really is.  In fact, not just original sin, but even the concept of sin is evil.  The very definition of the word &quot;sin&quot; is &quot;to miss the mark.&quot;  To miss who&#039;s mark, I ask????  One defined by some guy who wears a funny white hat and sits on a throne in Rome while pretending to speak for God?  I think not.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I missed some of the best years of my life because I was repeatedly told, both explicitly and implicitly, that I was fundamentally flawed from before birth, and that being loved by God was conditional; i.e., I had to do what the man wearing a funny collar said or else God didn&#039;t love me and I would burn forever in hell.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Those days are behind me now.  The painful memories, however, are not.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dan&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;P.S.  I had the pleasure of working with you at AMP a couple of years ago.  That workshop marked the beginning of me finally being able to get on with my life.  You played a role in that, and I am truly grateful for your assistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article.</p>
<p>The doctrine of original sin completely destroyed me as a child, adolescent, and young adult.  </p>
<p>It took me many years, and more than one instance of suicide preparations, before I realized how false &#8212; and evil &#8212; the doctrine of original sin really is.  In fact, not just original sin, but even the concept of sin is evil.  The very definition of the word &#8220;sin&#8221; is &#8220;to miss the mark.&#8221;  To miss who&#39;s mark, I ask????  One defined by some guy who wears a funny white hat and sits on a throne in Rome while pretending to speak for God?  I think not.  </p>
<p>I missed some of the best years of my life because I was repeatedly told, both explicitly and implicitly, that I was fundamentally flawed from before birth, and that being loved by God was conditional; i.e., I had to do what the man wearing a funny collar said or else God didn&#39;t love me and I would burn forever in hell.  </p>
<p>Those days are behind me now.  The painful memories, however, are not.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
<p>P.S.  I had the pleasure of working with you at AMP a couple of years ago.  That workshop marked the beginning of me finally being able to get on with my life.  You played a role in that, and I am truly grateful for your assistance.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jason, I am interested to know what do you think of Matt Falvey&#039;s contribution to this discussion ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jason, I am interested to know what do you think of Matt Falvey&#39;s contribution to this discussion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Lock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Lock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jayson,&lt;br&gt;I see your point but think we come to a different end following my rationing. I see bad behavior as stemming from the person. Good, perfect people are not capable of bad things. However, just because someone does something bad or their behavior is bad, does not make them wholly bad. I agree with on that. It is the idea that they internally perfect to begin with that I reject.&lt;br&gt;But again, I think we see two sides to the same coin. That being, how to help people realize the goodness inside of them and heal from that place of being wounded due to being called or perceived as evil. We differ on the origins of behavior that caused them to something bad in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jayson,<br />I see your point but think we come to a different end following my rationing. I see bad behavior as stemming from the person. Good, perfect people are not capable of bad things. However, just because someone does something bad or their behavior is bad, does not make them wholly bad. I agree with on that. It is the idea that they internally perfect to begin with that I reject.<br />But again, I think we see two sides to the same coin. That being, how to help people realize the goodness inside of them and heal from that place of being wounded due to being called or perceived as evil. We differ on the origins of behavior that caused them to something bad in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jayson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t for a minute believe that I am a sinner. I do believe the view your describe is the very nonsense my post is speaking to. Trust me, the more I examine my life the more I realize how human I am which includes all my flaws and imperfections, of which there are many. I don&#039;t pretend to have it all together, nor do I teach that in others. If you read this blog, you will understand that our suffering is the very thing that helps us grow and relate to our life in a more meaningful way. We are not broken for this, we are whole for this. Our suffering is our path to reclaim this wholeness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t for a minute believe that I am a sinner. I do believe the view your describe is the very nonsense my post is speaking to. Trust me, the more I examine my life the more I realize how human I am which includes all my flaws and imperfections, of which there are many. I don&#39;t pretend to have it all together, nor do I teach that in others. If you read this blog, you will understand that our suffering is the very thing that helps us grow and relate to our life in a more meaningful way. We are not broken for this, we are whole for this. Our suffering is our path to reclaim this wholeness.</p>
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		<title>By: Jayson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just because a child makes a mistake once or a hundred times does not mean that they are evil or &quot;bad.&quot; You are making the classic mistake most folks make by not separating personhood from behavior. The child&#039;s inner state has not changed at all. Inside, they are just as lovable and &quot;perfect&quot; as before. But their behavior is in question. Most folks link the two together thus having the child believe that bad behavior = being bad, which is simply untrue. This child later in life will walk around thinking they are bad, rather than knowing they are amazing and that they made some &quot;bad&quot; mistakes. Make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, </p>
<p>Just because a child makes a mistake once or a hundred times does not mean that they are evil or &#8220;bad.&#8221; You are making the classic mistake most folks make by not separating personhood from behavior. The child&#39;s inner state has not changed at all. Inside, they are just as lovable and &#8220;perfect&#8221; as before. But their behavior is in question. Most folks link the two together thus having the child believe that bad behavior = being bad, which is simply untrue. This child later in life will walk around thinking they are bad, rather than knowing they are amazing and that they made some &#8220;bad&#8221; mistakes. Make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Jayson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Great comments. I appreciate your understanding of original sin. Very helpful as are Matt&#039;s comments below. However, even in Catholicism &quot;how&quot; original sin is taught is a big issue. Fear and guilt are the primary forces used to motivated people toward being &quot;good.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I love what you said about being capable of the worst. Yes, that is human nature. I have within me the power to kills, rape, and destroy. But I don&#039;t walk around fearing that or feeling guilty if I have a hurtful thought. I just notice it as a play of the mind. Once again, self-awareness is the greatest tool a man can have. Rather than a set of teachings handed down by a book or another person. If I can become more aware of who I am and open my heart, it becomes virtually impossible to cause deep harm on another person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Great comments. I appreciate your understanding of original sin. Very helpful as are Matt&#39;s comments below. However, even in Catholicism &#8220;how&#8221; original sin is taught is a big issue. Fear and guilt are the primary forces used to motivated people toward being &#8220;good.&#8221; </p>
<p>I love what you said about being capable of the worst. Yes, that is human nature. I have within me the power to kills, rape, and destroy. But I don&#39;t walk around fearing that or feeling guilty if I have a hurtful thought. I just notice it as a play of the mind. Once again, self-awareness is the greatest tool a man can have. Rather than a set of teachings handed down by a book or another person. If I can become more aware of who I am and open my heart, it becomes virtually impossible to cause deep harm on another person.</p>
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		<title>By: Jayson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome points brother! Thanks! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, while I agree with you, even &quot;love conquers all&quot; is BS unless it is experienced. To me, this is where the great teaching about &quot;absolute&quot; versus &quot;relative&quot; comes in....ah, another post to come...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And yes, sex is another huge area where lie after lie exists, particularly coming from religious groups and systems.&lt;br&gt;Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome points brother! Thanks! </p>
<p>However, while I agree with you, even &#8220;love conquers all&#8221; is BS unless it is experienced. To me, this is where the great teaching about &#8220;absolute&#8221; versus &#8220;relative&#8221; comes in&#8230;.ah, another post to come&#8230;</p>
<p>And yes, sex is another huge area where lie after lie exists, particularly coming from religious groups and systems.<br />Thanks again.</p>
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